Ultimate Battle for Ultimate Destiny: First Round

1996-2014 K-State Football

2007 vs 2012

2007 wasn’t quite the low point of the post-Snyder turnaround era of K-State football, but it was close. 2012, undoubtedly was the high point (so far) of the second coming of Snyder. While some all time greats were playing for the ’07 team, there just weren’t enough pieces, but in just a few years Snyder would complete turnaround #2. Today they battle.

You can see all the match ups so far, as well as the methodology, here.
Remember, we run the simulation on whatifsports.com, so if you don’t like the results, fight them.

The Matchup

Record5-7 (3-5 Big 12)11-2 (8-1 Big 12)
Head CoachRon PrinceBill Snyder
BowlNoneFiesta (vs Oregon; L 35-17)
Big 12 Award winners1st Team: Jordy Nelson, WR, Tim Reyer, P; Ian Campbell, DE (Coaches).

2nd Team: Justin McKinney, DB (Coaches); James Johnson, RB, Brooks Rossman, K, Ian Campbell, DE (AP).

Honorable Mention: Justin McKinney, DB (AP); Alesana Alesana, OL, Chris Carney, DB, Josh Freeman, QB, Rob Jackson, DE, Deon Murphy, WR/PR, Jordy Nelson, PR, Mike Pooschke, FB, Logan Robinson, OL, Brooks Rossman, K, Reggie Walker, LB.

Offensive Newcomer of the Year: Deon Murphy

Defensive Newcomer of the Year: Gary Chandler
1st Team: Collin Klein, QB; John Hubert, RB (Coaches); Travis Tannahill, TE; Cornelius Lucas, OL (Coaches); Meshak Williams, DE; Arthur Brown, LB; Ty Zimmerman, DB; BJ Finney, OL (AP).

2nd Team: Anthony Cantele, PK; Adam Davis, DE; Chris Harper, WR (Coaches); Tyler Lockett, All-Purpose (AP); Cornelius Lucas, OL (AP); Vai Lutui, DL (Coaches); Nigel Malone, DB (AP).

Honorable Mention: Jarell Childs, LB; Ryan Doerr, P; B.J. Finney, Offensive Lineman of the Year (Coaches); Chris Harper, WR (AP); John Hubert, RB (AP); Tyler Lockett, WR; Tyler Lockett, Special Teams Player of the Year; Jared Loomis, Scholar-Athlete of the Year; Tavon Rooks, OL (AP); Tramaine Thompson, PR (Coaches); Cody Whitehair, OL (Coaches); Braden Wilson, FB (AP).

Offensive Player of the Year: Collin Klein

Defensive Player of the Year: Arthur Brown

Defensive Lineman of the Year: Meshak Williams
Pre-Tournament Salute Ranking#18#3

Seeding and methodology here

The Game

First Quarter

Following a quick 3 & out by the 2012 team (uncharacteristic for a team that almost always scored on the opening drive), 2007 got a drive together under the leadership of Josh Freeman. He’s unable to convert on a couple plays from the 6 yard line, however, and they settle for the Brooks Rossman 23 yard field goal. 2007 leads 3-0.

Defense takes over for both teams and neither is able to sustain a drive for the remainder of the quarter until time expires as the 2012 team is marching down the field.

Second Quarter

The 2012 team continues the momentum they had going at the end of the first, completing a 9 play, 71 yard drive with a pass from Collin Klein to Zach Trujillo, who breaks away with it for 25 yards and a touchdown. 2012 leads 7-3.

Both teams punt on their subsequent drives, which leaves 2007 taking over the ball on their own 16 yard line midway through the 2nd. On the first play of the drive James Johnson breaks away for a 57 yard run around the left side. A pass from Josh Freeman to Jordy Nelson takes them to the 10 yard line, where an unnecessary roughness penalty from the frustrated 2012 defense sets up an easy score by James Johnson. 2007 leads 10-7.

John Hubert picks up 16 yards on the first play of the next drive for 2012, but that’s all they’re able to get. They punt to 2007, who puts together another impressive drive, including passes of 5, 29, and 9 yards to Jordy Nelson. Jonathan Truman and Justin Tuggle each notch sacks to get the drive stopped, but Brooks Rossman is able to make the 45 yard field goal with 28 seconds left in teh half. 2007 leads 13-7.

Third Quarter

Early in the 3rd the 2012 team fumbled the ball, but 2007 is unable to do anything with it. Rossman ends up missing the 50 yard field goal attempt, and 2012 takes over. Even with the help of a couple penalties by the 2007 team, they’re unable to get a drive together, and punt it back to 2007. The next drive is all Josh Freeman, spreading the ball around to all of his wide receivers, until they have the ball on the 2 yard line. From there Leon Patton runs the sweep and picks up the touchdown. 2007 leads 20-7.

Fourth Quarter

Josh Freeman continues his huge day headed into the fourth quarter. With three passes of 12 yards or more the 2007 team puts together a 9 play, 74 yard drive resulting in a 33 yard field goal by Brooks Rossman. 2007 leads 23-7.  On their next drive, they do more of the same, including a 45 yard pass from Freeman to Jordy Nelson, and cap it off with a 28 yard field goal. 2007 leads 26-7.  

With 2:03 left to play they cap off their 3rd straight field goal drive with a 39 yard make for Brooks Rossman. 2007 leads 26-7, and the pro-2012 crowd is stunned.

Collin Klein goes into Optimus Klein mode on the next drive, but 7 play, 51 yard drive, ending with a touchdown pass to Chris Harper is too little too late. 2007 leads 26-13 following the unsuccessful 2-pt conversion attempt. They recover the onside kick, but time expires before they’er able to score again.


Score by Quarters  Score 
2007 3 10 29
2012 0 7 13

This upset is largely bigger than the other big upset we had. And allow me to editorialize a bit here, because unlike the the 2006 upset, which was a fluke (if you play that one 10 times, the 1997 team wins 9 of them… just not the one we ran), this one, according to the simulation, was not a fluke. If you run it multiple times, about 70% of the time, the 2007 teams comes out with the win. Why? The best I can figure is that the simulations are based solely on stats. The 2012 team wasn’t pretty on paper. It was amazing on what Snyder got out of that team, and how their game plans dominated nearly everyone else. But a computer running the simulation “sees” this sort of a match-up differently… and it seems to give an edge to the passing quarterback and dominant wide receiver combo. Perhaps it shows just how much was accomplished on a team that no one thought had any business contending for a national title.

Game Leaders:

tempPlayer of the Game
Jordy Nelson
’07 Wide Receiver
10 rec, 178 yds, 0 TDs

Leading Rusher
’07 James Johnson

22 att, 125 yds, 1 TD

Leading Passer
’07 Josh Freeman
24/37, 326 yds, O TDs, 0 INTs

The Bracketultimate bracket


Game 10 next week: 1st Round: 2009 vs 2003

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